Fairfield UDI

[klynn Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close klynn]

Can someone explain the advantage of owning Fairfield UDI deed?

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

I was unaware that Fairfeiled even had UDI's. One expert on UDIs is Bruce. He is in St Croix and will be back in a DAY. i AM NOT SURE IF THEY WORK THE same way but do a search on this site for christmas mountain , read the posts there from both Bocabum and Bruce. You should get a better understanding how it works after reading.

[gophish Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close gophish]

I believe that most of the deeds for Fairfield points owners are for UDI in a specific resort (called by Fairfield your Home Resort). The points are the way you use your interest thru the Fairshare Plus program, including booking at various Fairfield Resorts using your points and making RCI deposits.

[SOS8260456 Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close SOS8260456]

There are two types of Fairfield points. The first type is points that come from converting a prior fixed week and unit to Fairfield points. The deed shows the actual week and unit that you own. The second type is UDI points. With UDI points you do not own a fixed week or unit. You own a certain number of points or an undivided interest (udi) in that resort. The deed in this case will show that you own say 154,000 out of 1,000,000 million points. The 154,000 being what you own and the 1,000,000 being the total points that can be owned at that resort. There are some differences between the two. A major difference concerns ARP (the ability to reserve a unit at 13 months vs. 10 months prior to your vacation). With UDI points, you can reserve any unit or week at your home resort at 13 months out from your desired vacation date. With a converted fixed week, you can only reserve your original fixed week and unit at 13 months out. At 10 months prior all points can reserve any resort or unit size as long as you have the required number of points. So at 10 months out all points are equal. Maintenance fees are also paid differently.

These do not work the same as the Christmas Mountain Village UDI's that Bruce owns.

Hope this helps.
Lisa (a platinum VIP FF owner)

[Summit1231 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Summit1231]

Curious, if you acquired a converted fixed point week and then purchased a udi points unit at the same resort -

would FF keep track of the points separately ?
would you be able to ARP at 13 months and use UDI points and also some converted fixed weeks points if needed ?
does the first resort you acquire set the tone for your account to be converted fixed or UDI ?

Just Curious
Thanks
Bob

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

Curious, if you acquired a converted fixed point week and then purchased a udi points unit at the same resort -

would FF keep track of the points separately ?

Yes, they tracking it through the contract.

would you be able to ARP at 13 months and use UDI points and also some converted fixed weeks points if needed ?

That I don't know. I do know that if you have several UDI contracts in the same resort, you can combine the points at 13 month ARP period. I will think since you can only get the converted week from converted points and can not combined both to get a large UDI. But if you call in and talk to VC, don't know if they can overwrite the characteristic of the points.

does the first resort you acquire set the tone for your account to be converted fixed or UDI ?

Just Curious
Thanks
Bob

No, the only thing the 1st resort determined is if they are going to pay your II memebership or RCI membership, thus determine your main exchange company.

Jya-Ning

[Summit1231 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Summit1231]

Jya-Ning,

Thanks for your pointers. I have one converted fixed week at this time.

Will have to see if the I can get the desired trades in the 10 month window. If not may want to add a UDI to the mix.

My preliminary searches look like the 10 month window may provide the desired trades.

Thanks
Bob

[SOS8260456 Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close SOS8260456]

The system keeps track of what is UDI and what is from the converted fixed week.

I think that most resorts and times are usually available at the 10 month window unless it is a prime time and a prime resort and even most of them are available at the 10 month window.

Lisa

[EAM Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EAM]

Curious, if you acquired a converted fixed point week and then purchased a udi points unit at the same resort -


would you be able to ARP at 13 months and use UDI points and also some converted fixed weeks points if needed ?
does the first resort you acquire set the tone for your account to be converted fixed or UDI ?

Just Curious
Thanks
Bob

To the best of my knowledge, you would be able to make an ARP reservation at 13 months for up to the total number of UDI points you own at your home resort or for your original fixed week. You can't combine the fixed week points with the UDI points for an ARP reservation.

As I recall, the first resort you own sets the VEP level for RCI's Extra Vacations or something like that. I don't think it makes any difference within Fairfield, except that the sales reps won't ask you to do an equity trade with your fixed week. An equity trade is a common sales approach with owners in which "you need to trade in your old UDI points from wherever" for UDI points at our resort (which just happens to have the highest demand, lowest maintenance fees, best trading power with RCI, etc. ) but you'll have to buy more UDI points at our resort to make the trade."

[SOS8260456 Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close SOS8260456]

You can do an equity trade to UDI points with a converted fixed week. However, it requires a 105,000 point developer purchase for each week that you want to do this with and a $2800 "surcharge" added to the developer price of the points.

Lisa

[EAM Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EAM]

You can do an equity trade to UDI points with a converted fixed week. However, it requires a 105,000 point developer purchase for each week that you want to do this with and a $2800 "surcharge" added to the developer price of the points.

Lisa

Lisa,

Are you sure that you can do this with a week that has already been converted to points rather than an unconverted fixed week? This deal sounds very much like the deal that is offered for converting a fixed week to points. More than one Fairfield sales rep has told us that they can do equity trades only with UDI contracts, not with converted fixed weeks.

[EAM Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EAM]

UDI vs. converted fixed week

There are rumors that Fairfield is eliminating the ability to make and ARP reservation at a UDI resort and deposit into RCI. This has been an undocumented feature of FSP, but it was a way to get better trading power in RCI than one would get otherwise. If this is eliminated, the only advantage of UDI points would be if you want to return regularly to (or rent out) your home resort, and it is a resort which is in high demand and you want flexibility regarding which particular week you reserve.

[SOS8260456 Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close SOS8260456]

Lisa,

Are you sure that you can do this with a week that has already been converted to points rather than an unconverted fixed week? This deal sounds very much like the deal that is offered for converting a fixed week to points. More than one Fairfield sales rep has told us that they can do equity trades only with UDI contracts, not with converted fixed weeks.

At the time of my posting in April, yes this could be done, and I was not talking about converting a week to points. At the time we were actually in the process of almost signing on the dotted line and some of the weeks we were dealing with were already converted to points. For the longest time, we also heard like you did that this was not allowed and then I heard various rumors online that it was being done, so when doing a possible purchase I asked about it and sure enough, they said they could do it. I do know that different sales sites are allowed far more lattitude in what they are allowed to do. That is why it always helps to call around the different sites and see what each one can do for you. At this point we were dealing with a Williamsburg sales person.

The past few weeks I have been hearing that Fairfield has eliminated this along with eliminating the ability to also do equity trades with resale UDI contracts. Supposedly if your UDI contract was purchased on the resale market, you can not do an equity trade with it. This is to keep people from converting resale UDI's over to developer UDI's. I haven't asked my sources if this is true, but it wouldn't surprize me if it was.


Lisa

[SOS8260456 Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close SOS8260456]

There are rumors that Fairfield is eliminating the ability to make and ARP reservation at a UDI resort and deposit into RCI. This has been an undocumented feature of FSP, but it was a way to get better trading power in RCI than one would get otherwise. If this is eliminated, the only advantage of UDI points would be if you want to return regularly to (or rent out) your home resort, and it is a resort which is in high demand and you want flexibility regarding which particular week you reserve.

I have also heard this.

Lisa

[gophish Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close gophish]

There are rumors that Fairfield is eliminating the ability to make and ARP reservation at a UDI resort and deposit into RCI. This has been an undocumented feature of FSP, but it was a way to get better trading power in RCI than one would get otherwise. If this is eliminated, the only advantage of UDI points would be if you want to return regularly to (or rent out) your home resort, and it is a resort which is in high demand and you want flexibility regarding which particular week you reserve.

This is not a rumer, it is true. I have had several email back and forth with FF over the last few days about this as well as some other issues with new interpretations of rules that are inacting. Bottom line on this is that they feel that they bank enough FF weeks to cover the RCI deposit needs of their owners. When I pointed out that when you just request an rcI deposit it is a crap shoot as to what you get as far as how far ahead of the use date it was actually deposted, they told me that they have heard that from other owners and that while they feel we have valid points that their inventory department assures them that this new rule change will be best for everyone.
What a load of crap!!